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kreuzberger wrote: ↑Tue Dec 16, 2025 8:53 pm
With Trump reneging today on a bazillion quids worth of digital cooperation, Trump has, yet again, confirmed that the US has no interest in being either a partner or an ally, by any measure. It is a dead duck - that or a country willing to accept hormone-laced road kill.

EEA Membership, as initially advocated by many Leavers, is shaping up for the UK like the only alternative to absolute isolation.

Maybe Starmer could do that deal during the peak roundabout painting season while the gammon are otherwise distracted.

The EU aren't going to be interested in that, seeing that there's a strong likelihood that the next government immediately pulls out.

And there's the not inconsiderable political problem that all of us here said the EEA was "fax democracy" when we were campaigning to stay in the EU.

We're back in Erasmus. This will earn the government a bump of about 2 votes, but by 2029, there may be a decent overall story to tell about re-engagement with the EU.

Talking of the EU, this would be nice if it held.

Probably find a reason not to hold it.

Not sure how this changes the NEC as outlined that much as long as the block voting held mostly last time out. Then again BBC analysis on essay mills seemed to suggest Universities were shit at dealing with it and all degrees were worth shit all based on one student and a former lecturer. Someone who sits on countless disciplinary panels as a representative it didn't seem that reflective.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3wdv7rg67o

This stuff does my nut in. I don't mean to pick on Jo Mitchell here, but he's an interesting example of what I'm talking about.

It's unarguable that Labour has pleased very few people. But are they really going all in on Kippers? How does rejoining Erasmus fit into that? Planning reform? Workers rights? That's just the last couple of days. Or, we might say, the Budget? Which is where Jo Mitchell is interesting. He was reasonably complementary about the Budget. He's perfectly aware that it wasn't a Kipper budget. So where does this "politically all in" come from?

Did they not mention any of these things? Of course they do. What's happened is that lots of people in the left media and social media don't care about any of this stuff. Stuff that never happens gets more attention because it might have happened, and someone "failed to deny" it. That the "they're a bunch of Kippers" is the default for Mitchell when he's talking more generally than his specialism is very telling. He must know at one level this isn't fair- I presume "politically" is supposed to cover the dissonance, but that doesn't really allow the role that he and others actively have played in this situation.

What does Labour do? Take a hammering in May, most likely. Probably change leader, and emphasize other things. I'm sceptical that a new leader comes in and cancels all the Mahmood-Starmer stuff on immigration. And hope the economy picks up. But I wonder if the electorate's become like the French electorate. Lots of strong views, with reforming anything being politically unthinkable.