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Also, if Jez wanted to win elections and form a coalition of the (broad) left/centre left he would have sucked it up and turned up to anti-Brexit rallies. His absence was entirely about his arrogance and unwillingness to compromise despite the immense possibility to prevent it not all harm from Brexit then at least mitigate the worst, while at the same time safely knowing if he did nothing he could still claim he didn’t have a majority so couldn’t effect change. Which of course won’t stop him turning up at the most hopeless and misguided of protests or pickets, but a good old picket line gets him some proper lefty gold stars.

All entirely contradictory behaviours until seen through the lens of self importance

There you go again, talking about Jez winning elections. That's the last thing he ever wanted.

Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 06, 2025 3:33 pm



There's a frequently reposted letter from one of the big papers, from a guy who lists the things he believes in, and notes that in the 1960s he was on the right wing of the Tories, but is now viewed as a quasi-Socialist despite not changing a single opinion.

I think it was Roy Hattersley that used to say he’d managed to go from being on the right of the Labour Party to being on the left without changing any of his views. Roy is still in the Labour Party (aged 92).

An often heard refrain from those departing political parties on the basis of that old rock band excuse of a “difference in direction” is that “I didn’t leave the [insert party name here], the [insert party name here ] left me” Which IS bollocks. And quite dishonest.

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 06, 2025 3:36 pm Also, if Jez wanted to win elections and form a coalition of the (broad) left/centre left he would have sucked it up and turned up to anti-Brexit rallies. His absence was entirely about his arrogance and unwillingness to compromise despite the immense possibility to prevent it not all harm from Brexit then at least mitigate the worst, while at the same time safely knowing if he did nothing he could still claim he didn’t have a majority so couldn’t effect change. Which of course won’t stop him turning up at the most hopeless and misguided of protests or pickets, but a good old picket line gets him some proper lefty gold stars.

All entirely contradictory behaviours until seen through the lens of self importance

And this is what makes Corbyn irrelevant, it doesn't matter if his policies sound good or bad because he'll never deliver any of them anyway.

I think I've changed my view on about 3 things since I was about 18 and yet I've ended up jumping about all wings of the Labour party in that time.

Name a progressive, anti-racist economist who explains things well and patiently, and works hard to debunk racist bullshit. Jonathan Portes, you might say, and that would be an excellent choice.

Here Jon calls out some statistical bullshit about low paid immigrants. His thanks is a (fairly prominent) online leftist telling him off for... using numbers, or something. Absolute state of these goons.

Oboogie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 06, 2025 5:48 pm

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 06, 2025 3:36 pm Also, if Jez wanted to win elections and form a coalition of the (broad) left/centre left he would have sucked it up and turned up to anti-Brexit rallies. His absence was entirely about his arrogance and unwillingness to compromise despite the immense possibility to prevent it not all harm from Brexit then at least mitigate the worst, while at the same time safely knowing if he did nothing he could still claim he didn’t have a majority so couldn’t effect change. Which of course won’t stop him turning up at the most hopeless and misguided of protests or pickets, but a good old picket line gets him some proper lefty gold stars.

All entirely contradictory behaviours until seen through the lens of self importance

And this is what makes Corbyn irrelevant, it doesn't matter if his policies sound good or bad because he'll never deliver any of them anyway.

Yebbut he was sabotaged by Keith and biased right-wing media and the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZE because they were all scared of him!

You said Keith. Hur, hur that's really edgy.

Well, at least it wasn't "Starmer Quiff Quisling"...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/co ... bd39&ei=16

Corbyn was wrong to ‘capitulate’ over anti-Semitism, says Sultana

I have a suspicion that the Corbs/Sultana coalition of the very, VERY worthy is going to fall apart astonishingly quickly, and that it’s not going to be amicable either.

For example, I’ve seen rumblings online that people are hacked off with them and won’t support them because there’s been no statement on trans rights. Which I imagine is because it doesn’t interest Corbyn (so getting anything out of him more than a stale generalised platitude about him supporting all minorities will be like getting blood out of a recently exsanguinated boulder), and Sultana knows a few of the loosely affiliated indie MPs are either also indifferent or actively opposed. And that’s a single issue.

When you strike out on your own to be the high horse party, that horse had better be the tallest fucking horse in town or you’re done for.

Abernathy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 18, 2025 12:04 pm https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/co ... bd39&ei=16

Corbyn was wrong to ‘capitulate’ over anti-Semitism, says Sultana

Thank you.

Is it tenable for the Greens to get close to this party?

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Mon Aug 18, 2025 2:23 pm I have a suspicion that the Corbs/Sultana coalition of the very, VERY worthy is going to fall apart astonishingly quickly, and that it’s not going to be amicable either.

For example, I’ve seen rumblings online that people are hacked off with them and won’t support them because there’s been no statement on trans rights. Which I imagine is because it doesn’t interest Corbyn (so getting anything out of him more than a stale generalised platitude about him supporting all minorities will be like getting blood out of a recently exsanguinated boulder), and Sultana knows a few of the loosely affiliated indie MPs are either also indifferent or actively opposed. And that’s a single issue.

When you strike out on your own to be the high horse party, that horse had better be the tallest fucking horse in town or you’re done for.

Corbyn posts almost exclusively about Palestine, he relies heavily on the support of the Muslim community. How does that community feel about Trans Rights, is Islam outspokenly pro-trans? By ducking the trans debate Corbyn is being uncharacteristically pragmatic and avoiding upsetting his base.

Think you'll find Corbyn being pragmatically quiet on many of his foreign policy views. Like alleged NATO and EU aggression towards Russia's sphere of influence, opposing Article 5 if our Baltic allies are attacked and support for authoritarian thugs in Venezuela who sent their economy down the toilet. He's now free to express his real views on the EU which he probably won't.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Mon Aug 18, 2025 4:24 pm Is it tenable for the Greens to get close to this party?

Not if they've got any sense.

Pragmatically quiet, or - and I think it’s worth considering - just crap?

Did you know that if you look in the dictionary for the definition of “naievety”, you get a photograph of Zara Sultana ?

Abernathy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 19, 2025 1:49 pm Did you know that if you look in the dictionary for the definition of “naivety”, you get a photograph of Zara Sultana ?

She's no better than their camp followers - so blinded by devotion to Jezz that they never think he'll shaft them like he shafts everyone.

Despite all the talk about the "movement", it's basically Jez and nobody else the public's heard of. Not really anywhere else for Sultana to go.