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That "rights of illegal immigrants above rights of British people" narrative appears to have taken hold. It was a headline in the Mail and on GBNews yesterday. Some people are even using it as a direct quote from either Cooper or the government lawyers. I've searched through the details of the case and there is nothing even approaching that being made as a point.
My bet is that the popular memory will install it as something that Cooper said before, during or after the case.

Rights come into conflict all the time. In this case, the right to freedom of assembly and expression is meeting the right to live without fear. If one can be redirected, so that both may be exercised, that's what will happen.

What's the right here exactly? The right to be accommodated while claiming asylum? That was a right when Kemi was in Government, wasn't it? Had they not stopped processing, it would have been a much less expensive "right" too.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Fri Aug 29, 2025 4:04 pm The Government (and hotel owner) has won its appeal on the "Epping Asylum Hotel". The response from Kemi is as breathtaking as you would expect.

Badenoch claims Starmer 'puts rights of illegal immigrants above rights of British people' in strongly worded statement after judgment

The Government there, clearing up her mess, and winning in court. And they aren't illegal immigrants anyway.

Badenoch going full MAGA, failing to realise they'll never love her like they love Ashli Babbitt.

On this side of the Atlantic, the presentation comes across closer to somebody who necked her second 3l super cider before midday.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Fri Aug 29, 2025 4:45 pm What's the right here exactly? The right to be accommodated while claiming asylum? That was a right when Kemi was in Government, wasn't it? Had they not stopped processing, it would have been a much less expensive "right" too.

INdeed, a "crisis" entirely of the Tory government's making.

Mind you, a lot of Rightist rhetoric seems to follow that broken logic:

I royally fucked this up, therefore I;'m the only one with a solution.

Does anyone ever hear from her apart from rubbish like this? There doesn't seem to be any sort of positive challenge to the government. Wouldn't you expect the party of business to talk sometimes about some area of the economy where opportunities for growth aren't being grasped? Some tax that could be reformed? What's the health policy? The transport policy? The trade policy (apart from "Labour's negotiated and we've lost")?

Oh here she is. And it's an economic policy. Or is it a culture war policy?

Oh here she is. And it's an economic policy. Or is it a culture war policy?

Good question, a safe bet that it's the latter. Unless it's strategic and the Tories are eyeing up Aberdeen as a target seat.

Why does she think North Sea Oil production declined? Too much leftism from the likes of Theresa May and Boris Johnson?

Such a policy falls to bits when it comes in to contact with the most elementary of mathematics - the costs of further extraction are rising, as are those of decommissioning old facilities, while the price of a renewable MWh tumbles to around a third of fossil fuels.

She's an idiot.

Same as deep-mine coal in the US. But Trump's nonetheless got a nice "culture" boost from championing it.

What Badenoch's showing is that the Tory Right are basically nothing without their media allies, who've mostly switched to Farage. The Lib Dems haven't gone ahead of the Tories yet, but they might do (not least with Labour switchers), even though the Lib Dems look well placed to win more seats than the Tories,

As I keep saying, Badenoch doesn't seem to have any strategy for young professionals or indeed professionals generally.

The phrase "and then what?" comes to mind.

For an alleged "straight-A student" she's being remarkably dense. Electricity in this country would be cheaper if renewables weren't pegged to the cost of gas.

If it were practicable (and I could afford it) I'd have solar panels on my south-facing roof and use them to charge an electric car.

As I type this, according to https://grid.iamkate.com/ the UK is actually earning money from its renewable energy by exporting it: no less than 78% of our electricity is coming from renewables.

I notice now that nobody knows what degree class Badenoch got. I think we'd have heard about if she got a First. Was she let down by "low expectations" at university too? Not that I'm particularly fussed with degree class or A level grades, but I'm not the one claiming to be cleverer than everyone else.

Boiler wrote: ↑Sun Aug 31, 2025 11:33 am ...
If it were practicable (and I could afford it) I'd have solar panels on my south-facing roof and use them to charge an electric car.

...

We have had panels in service on our south-west facing roof for about a month now. There are just 2x500w PVs up there plus the converter gizmo and a 2 megawatt battery, yet they have produced enough juice to cover way more than half of our consumption.

Granted, it is August but the total investment of less than €700 (VAT-free) should be recouped within two years.

For context, I switched to hippy-lecky in 2010 and have been paying €75* per month for our annual +/- 2,100 kWh ever since. Most years, we get a reimbursement, which is immediately spirited off to a very agreeable French bistro down the road.

* It would be less if I bothered my arse to switch.

Now then. Why would you not take up this offer?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... hool-offer

Doubts cast on Kemi Badenoch’s claim of US medical school offer
Stanford University staff and academic experts raise questions over Tory leader’s claim of place and partial scholarship offered at 16

I have seen it suggest that one of the tories' biggest problems is that they no longer have their slavishly partisan media mates to protect them, as they have largely defected to Farage's boudoir.

I guess we will find out tomorrow at 06:10 BST when Today does its first trawl of the newspapers.

kreuzberger wrote: ↑Sun Aug 31, 2025 11:13 am Such a policy falls to bits when it comes in to contact with the most elementary of mathematics - the costs of further extraction are rising, as are those of decommissioning old facilities, while the price of a renewable MWh tumbles to around a third of fossil fuels.

She's an idiot.

Maybe Kemi can explain why; the more oil we drilled the poorer we became.

kreuzberger wrote: ↑Sun Aug 31, 2025 6:50 pm I have seen it suggest that one of the tories' biggest problems is that they no longer have their slavishly partisan media mates to protect them, as they have largely defected to Farage's boudoir.

I guess we will find out tomorrow at 06:10 BST when Today does its first trawl of the newspapers.

I avoid "reviews of the papers" at the best of times, and avoid literally everything at 6.10 am. Did you catch it?

It's a massive problem for the Tories to lose their media. What are they left with without that? Lower taxes, great. But if real incomes continue to grow (as to be fair they did under late period Sunak) people can manage the Labour tax bomb stuff, and just see the Tories as fucking up services.

You can usually get the front covers of the papers late the night before.