[davidjay]

Every time I look on there it's got worse.

[Boiler]

He's neither "Nigel", "Jeremy" or "Zack" so he's doomed.

[Tubby Isaacs]

So many of the replies are from political experts. They should be university lecturers rather than blue ticks on X.

It’s the great George Burns gag, yet again. No wonder the country’s in such a mess when the people who know how to run it are all driving cabs and cutting hair.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Starmer's making a speech about the need for much greater working with Europe.

See how he puts it into practice, but hopefully it'll shut up a few of the tedious "everyone apart from Starmer can see it" merchants.

[Boiler]

See how he puts it into practice, but hopefully it'll shut up a few of the tedious "everyone apart from Starmer can see it" merchants.

Not if the Grauniad BTL is anything to go by...

[Youngian]

Starmer's making a speech about the need for much greater working with Europe.

See how he puts it into practice, but hopefully it'll shut up a few of the tedious "everyone apart from Starmer can see it" merchants.

The headbangers heard his intentions

[Boiler]

Arf arf

[Tubby Isaacs]

I avoid apart from my bookmarked sensible posters.

What's the narrative? Hey Starmer, rejoin the Single Market yesterday?

I gather George Monbiot has managed to turn a story about environmental crime into a story about "deregulation". Deregulation, you might reasonably think, made things that were crimes into things that aren't crimes. That's not happened with laws about recycling, which have (quite rightly) become stricter. Enforcement budgets may not be what they should be, but what budget isn't stretched? The police budget is stretched, but it would surely be daft to see think in terms of "deregulating" murder.

Still, it's easier than acknowledging the Government's land use plan or anything like that.

[Boiler]

I avoid apart from my bookmarked sensible posters.

What's the narrative? Hey Starmer, rejoin the Single Market yesterday?

Pretty much, along with "all the people who voted for Brexit are dying/dead and young people are in favour of rejoining".

Which doesn't explain the likes of the teenager running a council for Reform and other young people of similar thoughts, including those belonging to now-proscribed far-Right groups.

Monbiot makes my head hurt so I avoid his columns.

[Tubby Isaacs]

The headbangers heard his intentions

Is this argument a political winner?

I'm actually fairly skeptical that there's a ready made majority for rejoining on the terms we'd get (and I don't even include the Euro in those). But it's more plausible to me than the idea that there's a majority who are implacably against eg alignment to facilitate trade. I'd guess too that the Tories still have a number of supporters who voted Remain, and while it was a mistake to see them as possible allies in stopping Brexit, they may be less than impressed by the full headbang.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Pretty much, along with "all the people who voted for Brexit are dying/dead and young people are in favour of rejoining".

Which doesn't explain the likes of the teenager running a council for Reform and other young people of similar thoughts, including those belonging to now-proscribed far-Right groups.

Monbiot makes my head hurt so I avoid his columns.

I avoid Monbiot's columns too, but get a flavor of them through my bookmarks. There is such a thing as deregulation by stealth, whereby the government thinks "fuck it, who cares about a bit of City dodginess, let's have tax revenue from it, get the regulators off their back, nobody needs to see it". Hard to see how that applies to not very cuddly criminal gangs whose handiwork is all too visible. Sometimes it just takes the authorities time to move against types of new types of crime.

Those posters who don't acknowledge that the EU might have a view on negotiating for years while Farage and Badenoch wait in the wings, they do my head in.

[Tubby Isaacs]

As one of my bookmakers puts it.

'Dithering' is clearly the new 'watering down' or 'u-turn'. It seems to be the insult of choice for the obsessive Starmer haters this week. Outside the media bubble, these are euphemisms for the normal processes of government. In a volatile and unpredictable situation, weighing up your options and the evidence for them is the sensible course, not 'dithering'. If the situation changes, then willingness adapting or change policy is essential, not 'watering down' or a u-turn. They also suggest a very short memory. Two years ago, the same people complaining about 'dithering' were slating the Tory government for its insistence on sticking rigidly to policies in ideological grounds, even when they weren't working.

[Tubby Isaacs]

EU declines to comment on Trump's Nato outburst
Separately, the commission declined to comment on Trump’s latest outburst reported in the Telegraph (11:06), reiterating their policy to “not comment on comments.”

They lack the backbone of political Titans like Ed Davey.

[Tubby Isaacs]

See how he puts it into practice, but hopefully it'll shut up a few of the tedious "everyone apart from Starmer can see it" merchants.

Not if the Grauniad BTL is anything to go by...

Fuck, I've just had a look. It's absolutely mad. From "the best way to open the Straits of Hormuz is to stop supporting Israel and the US" to "we're an unappealing partner for Europe because we've allied ourselves so closely to Trump".

A few weeks ago it was essential that Starmer made a speech, now it turns out it's not essential at all, and he's shit anyway.

[AOB]

Problem with democracy is too many people with not even a basic understanding of how the world works are allowed to vote. Brown got the blame for the 2008 crash by millions in this country despite it having zero to do with him. People voted Brexit based on what those two grifters Farage and Johnson told them.

Too many people vote in a PM then moaned well within a year, as if some magical wand was going to be waved and their lives are suddenly going to be better. They're the people who annoy me the most. If you didn't vote Labour then okay, moan away.

Within a few weeks of being PM, Southport happened, the big tough warrior patriots rioted, smashing up British communities, and he went in hard. They were blubbering like the big fucking racist cowards they are when they were almost immediately hauled into the dock. The sentences were largely decent as well, not the poxy 2 or 3 months that I anticipated, they actually got 2 years plus in many cases. He may have shown weakness on a couple of U-Turns but when it mattered he quietened it down almost immediately, things were on a knife edge at that point, in no small part to Farage playing to the gallery and Yaxley, the weedy little shithouse, tweeting away orders to his thousands of subservient knuckledraggers from his sunbed thousands of miles away. Civil unrest is as big an issue as you have to deal with as PM, he dealt with that very well.

[Abernathy]

Problem with democracy is too many people with not even a basic understanding of how the world works are allowed to vote. Brown got the blame for the 2008 crash by millions in this country despite it having zero to do with him. People voted Brexit based on what those two grifters Farage and Johnson told them.

THIS. Fucking this, with great big shiny fucking knobs on. During the 2016 referendum, I lost count of the number of brain-dead fuckwits on whose doorsteps I had to inform them that the European Court of Human Rights had absolutely fuck all to do with the European Union, that we were having the bloody referendum about.

The other thing that grinds my gears - though I know that I’m bound to accept it - is the conventional wisdom that says that, thick wankers as many voters are, you’re not supposed to say that that’s what they are - because it won’t do you any good.

[Tubby Isaacs]

https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54428 ... n-conflict

Interesting polling here. Good for Starmer, relatively speaking, 38% support his Iran policy, 43% oppose (by no means all in the same direction). Given that there's a chunk of the public who oppose everything he does because it's him, I think that's a decent performance.

How is the Kamikaze/Fargle position of "Trump's right" go?

19% support. 66% oppose.