By mattomac
#110006
Someone who hasn’t dirtied their nose has the best bet of winning a leadership election.
By davidjay
#110049
mattomac wrote: Wed May 06, 2026 7:31 pm Someone who hasn’t dirtied their nose has the best bet of winning a leadership election.
They might not have dirtied their nose yet but you can be sure that before the furniture van arrives the media will be saying how dirty their nose is.
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By mattomac
#110052
True but already full of shit in their pants like the likes of Burnham and they will be fucked from the get go, not to mention they will have to compromise to the term of government. Suppose they can bring that wealth tax in and see that it doesn't go as far as Zack P or Ed D think it would.

Anyhow I won't vote for any of the three currently being mentioned and I was a big fan of Rayner.
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By Abernathy
#110133
A rather sensible article in The Observer :

Keir Starmer is not the man most people in his party, let alone most people in the country, would want as prime minister. He fails the key test of a Labour leader today: is he the person to see off Nigel Farage and the politics of nativism, vandalism and division? Sadly, no. He’s no story-teller. He could make “we will fight them on the beaches” sound like a mortgage application. His vision, as much as there is one, is bland and managerial; Ryan Gosling would struggle to make it attractive. It’s ironic that one of his pitches for the post of party leader was competence: he would run the country as he had run the Crown Prosecution Service.
As it’s turned out, Starmer’s people management is by turns aloof and impetuous. On policy, the U-turns that have marked his domestic policy reveal not so much that he caves to pressure as that he doesn’t know where he's going in the first place. And, with hindsight, the appointment of Peter Mandelson was a time bomb. It was hailed at the time as an uncharacteristically canny call to send a dealmaker to Trump’s Washington, but you didn’t need developed vetting to know Mandelson had a history of dodgy friendships, a client list that would make the Foreign Office queasy and a reputation among old Labour colleagues for loving a party more than the party.
And yet. The UK is a serious country with serious problems in serious times. Dumping Starmer over a bungled ambassadorial appointment – and parachuting in the fifth prime minister in four years – would make the UK look unserious. It would cement the view in the bond markets that Britain is ungovernable, and that would be expensive. It will swell the ranks of voters who give up on democratic politics because it’s a circular firing squad.
Who comes next? Who chooses? The Tories thought that getting rid of Boris Johnson would mean someone better. Instead we got Liz Truss, the loony right and a poorer country. There are two lessons from not-so-recent history. One is that we need to know who the people are who will be electing our next prime minister. At Tortoise, now the owner of The Observer, we fought – unsuccessfully – to force the Conservative party to tell us who was voting to choose the Conservative leader and thus the prime minister, after Tory members representing just 0.3 per cent of the electorate handed Truss the keys to No 10. Before Labour blunders into a furious leadership contest after its humiliation at the local elections, it would be good to think about who elects Starmer’s successor, how the election is run and what is done to ensure its safety.
As to the candidates to succeed Starmer, would any of them be better? Would the charismatic Angela Rayner be defined by her tax problems? Why does the principled and politically smart Wes Streeting not cut through with so much of his party, let alone the country? How can you have a serious contest without Andy Burnham, the erstwhile unreliable also-ran who now, in theory, has the best governing credentials and most cross-party support?
The results of the local elections in England and the votes in Wales and Scotland will continue to dribble in over Friday afternoon and Saturday morning. Already the huge swing forecast from Labour and the Tories to Reform UK has come to pass, and pundits are reaching for their thesauruses to find different words for a shellacking. They will tell us what we know: the public are pissed off. Labour MPs will mouth off, particularly Streeting cheerleaders looking for a quick handover. The press will report plans for a putsch. They’ll report Westminster fever dreams, too. Starmer won’t resign, he’ll fight on. And, for now, he should.
He has made serious blunders. He has also had bad luck. In February he said things were looking up for the UK economy, and they were. Then the US started bombing Iran and Britain’s unique vulnerability to world energy prices hit every voter in the pocket yet again. Starmer could yet catch a break. If the Strait of Hormuz were to reopen it is not impossible to imagine a more positive narrative about this pooterish prime minister.
Even so, there will, most likely, be a contest to decide who leads Labour into the next general election. There should be. Starmer has not, as yet, proved himself to be up to the job. But when that contest comes, it needs to be an election that is open and serves the best interests of the UK, not the factions of the party. It needs to be an election that sees the best range of candidates putting their case for the future of the country. Labour needs to show that it is a party committed to the hard work of government, ready and able to defeat Reform's politics of deportation, corruption and national self-harm – a politics financed by a Bangkok-based crypto billionaire who is buying up wraparound election-day newspaper ads yelling “Get Starmer Out”.

Reform’s agenda is to disrupt at any cost. To take it on and defeat it on the merits, Labour needs to be smarter than the last lot. The UK has, for a decade, paid the price for Brexit, a factional fight within the Conservative party, a cabinet-level psychodrama that ended up costing us 8 per cent of GDP. The trigger for the Brexit referendum was David Cameron being spooked by the local elections. It didn’t end well. Starmer has work to do. There is time, still, to judge that work, and him.
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The only point it misses is the extent to which The PM’s almost visceral level of disapproval, verging on sheer hatred, is the major and most significant factor in Labour’s unpopularity. Amongst the Labour members I’ve spoken to during this campaign, particularly those who have experienced the reaction on multiple doorsteps, that seems to be an extremely prevalent view. The mood in the PLP too seems to be that the leader must not only carry the can, but must fall on his sword. In Birmingham, where Labour was absolutely hammered by a three-pronged attack from Reform, the Greens, and the Gaza independents, the impossibilty (in retrospect) of Labour’s task in the light of the Starmer factor was compounded by several unique to Brum issues : The equal pay debacle, the Oracle overspend farce, the bankruptcy, and the 14 month long unresolved bin crews strike all contributed to a sense of a party that’s had its time in control of the city.

I have no idea what will happen now, but bugger me, we do live in interesting times (in the full sense of the old Chinese curse).
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By Tubby Isaacs
#110136
What are these serious blunders? I mean, to compare with the Brexit referendum and austerity? Or HS2's budget exploding, under more recent Tories? Or the Lawson giveaway budget, or Black Wednesday. Or, not to be partisan for a moment, invading Iraq or PFI?

Because appointing Mandelson and sacking Ollie Robbins isn't it. Nor is restricting the Winter Fuel Allowance for one year. Nor is attempting to cancel some local elections for bodies that are going to be scrapped anyway.

Perhaps borrowing a bit too much for current spending? Trouble is that most people whose vote Labour could get don't think they should be spending less. Aiming for too low a level of net immigration? That doesn't help but it's not in the league of stuff that I count as epochal mistakes.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#110137
mattomac wrote: Thu May 07, 2026 2:17 pm True but already full of shit in their pants like the likes of Burnham and they will be fucked from the get go, not to mention they will have to compromise to the term of government. Suppose they can bring that wealth tax in and see that it doesn't go as far as Zack P or Ed D think it would.

Anyhow I won't vote for any of the three currently being mentioned and I was a big fan of Rayner.
I think Davey is against the wealth tax. It's not just that it doesn't go as far as Greens and Jez (where was this policy when he was leader? How did he miss all this free money from the very rich?) it's that it could cost revenue.

Generally I'm skeptical of "cost more than it raises" arguments with tax, but Dan Neidle make some arguments that suggest it's pretty bad.

https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2025/07/22/uk- ... ti-growth/
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By kreuzberger
#110143
I do not have to deal with the daily grind, but all I see now is a country so beholden to Only Fans and Sky Bet culture that it will never again tolerate a decent man at the helm in even the choppiest of waters.

A country and its media class, so addicted to thrills, that it cannot deal with patience or rational behaviour. Darker days are ahead.
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By Boiler
#110152
kreuzberger wrote: Fri May 08, 2026 9:34 pm A country and its media class, so addicted to thrills, that it cannot deal with patience or rational behaviour.
"Patience" seems to be a dying commodity on the roads as well these days: on my lengthy commute I'm increasingly seeing people using the hard shoulder because queueing is not for them, or others going past a queue and then pushing in at the last moment at an exit with a cheeky flash of hazard lights as if to say "thanks, sucker". Nearly got clipped by a twat in a van doing that at Black Cat last night.

Instant gratification is the name of the game. Get your shit from Amazon same day. Groceries from Asda same day. Peckish? Get Uber Eats/Deliveroo to bring you a Maccy D NOW.

So I can certainly see where Kreuzy is coming from. Ironically, someone on a BBC SYB yesterday was saying that people should give Reform time to prove themselves... but not Labour.

Meanwhile, Starmer is getting shot by both sides.
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By davidjay
#110166
kreuzberger wrote: Fri May 08, 2026 9:34 pm I do not have to deal with the daily grind, but all I see now is a country so beholden to Only Fans and Sky Bet culture that it will never again tolerate a decent man at the helm in even the choppiest of waters.

A country and its media class, so addicted to thrills, that it cannot deal with patience or rational behaviour. Darker days are ahead.


Boris Fucking Johnson has so much to answer for.
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By Samanfur
#110167
The people who enabled him because he was Good Telly or Good Copy have even more to answer for, as far as I'm concerned.
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By Boiler
#110168
It would appear Starmer has appointed Gordon Brown and Harriet Harman as advisors.

That'll get the Corbynites frothing.
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By Yug
#110175
Three grown-ups in the room at the same time? This is what the country needs after a succession of juvenile entitled public-school pricks. It's a pity Starmer didn't think of this sooner.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#110178
Don’t rate Harman since her stint as acting leader in 2015. Brown did good stuff but yesterday’s man.

The King’s Speech is what matters. Doubtless this will be “timorous” and “dangerous” at the same time.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#110183
Hopefully West doesn't get anything like enough MPs to challenge, and slinks back embarrassed. I don't think there's any sense of what the market reaction is likely to be to an extended period of people telling members how they're going to spend shitloads more money on everything. West isn't particularly like that herself, but hard to see how a leadership contest doesn't involve at least one such person doing well.
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By Abernathy
#110187
Unless she already has the backing of 80 Labour MPs, which frankly I doubt, Catherine West just can’t challenge Starmer for the leadership. This is just pantomime posing, in hopes of being a “stalking horse”.

It’s bollocks.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#110188
Yeah, this is a great idea, chaps. Let's do the equivalent of 90s "Eurosceptics" calling on Michael Portillo to challenge John Major.
MPs from Labour’s left to urge Ed Miliband to consider leadership bid
Hopefully, Ed will swiftly tell them to shut up. As Portillo, to his credit did then, though he did waver later when Major resigned to provoke a challenge.

Do these MPs ever ask themselves how Ed is able to do this great job they all praise him for? Nothing to do with the PM or Chancellor, presumably?

(As I've said before, I'm not sure Ed has done that great a job. My view before the Iran War was that he hadn't, and had locked in too much expensive electricity, and could have done more on heat pumps and electric cars instead. But now I'm not sure. Perhaps I'm being short sighted there, and his achievement will be to reach a point of no return whoever wins in 2029. And the Iran shock has certainly not harmed his case).
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