[Oboogie]

I do wonder how Corbyn's supporters feel about this unquestioning support for Putin's imperialism, especially when they look at the other members of Putin's fan club, eg Trump and Farage because that's who Jezza is siding with.

[Andy McDandy]

If you remember "Mikey Mikey" from waaaay back, he greeted Trump's 2016 victory with "Yaah boo, in your face, centrist dads!".' Similarly, when the cunt was up in court, Fenton's pet twat was, if not sympathetic, saving their venom for the Democrats and the legal system.

Sticking it to the man, telling it like it is, shaking things up, showing those clever bastards what's what. Stuff like Mr Deeds, Legally Blonde, it's ingrained in popular culture. So Jez gets a "well, at least he's not one of them" from the far right.

[Nigredo]

I do wonder how Corbyn's supporters feel about this unquestioning support for Putin's imperialism, especially when they look at the other members of Putin's fan club, eg Trump and Farage because that's who Jezza is siding with.

It doesn't matter to them, they've got the "man of peace and principle all his career" blinkers on and couldn't give a fig about the finer details.

[Andy McDandy]

Had that debate with a few people over the summer. Them sounding off about how he was the most honest politician ever, how he's always been proved right, how he was protesting whatever cause before it was fashionable.

Started with a few facts - the famous South African embassy photo and so on - to no avail. "You're just saying that!" came up a lot, along with "You're frightened of him!" and "Then why are the establishment so terrified of him, is it because his ideas might work?". I was then told it was best to go to bed because I was rather drunk and on the verge of starting a fight with a guy 20 years younger than me and in the army.

It's conspiracy theory all over again. Evidence against him is there because it's what they want you to think. He could rob them blind and they'd thank him for taking such an interest in the contents of their pockets.

[Nigredo]

There was a rather informative online essay titled "The Right Side of History" doing the rounds a few years ago but I seem unable to find it now.

[mattomac]

Had that debate with a few people over the summer. Them sounding off about how he was the most honest politician ever, how he's always been proved right, how he was protesting whatever cause before it was fashionable.

Started with a few facts - the famous South African embassy photo and so on - to no avail. "You're just saying that!" came up a lot, along with "You're frightened of him!" and "Then why are the establishment so terrified of him, is it because his ideas might work?". I was then told it was best to go to bed because I was rather drunk and on the verge of starting a fight with a guy 20 years younger than me and in the army.

It's conspiracy theory all over again. Evidence against him is there because it's what they want you to think. He could rob them blind and they'd thank him for taking such an interest in the contents of their pockets.

It dawned on me when I attended the smith/corbyn nomination meeting, everything they hated was default Smith’s position.

Everything they liked was Corbyn’s position.

Even though I would say they were 40/50% incorrect. It was and is a cult.

[Abernathy]

Ah, yes. I attended the hustings meeting arranged when Smith challenged Corbyn for the leadership at the National Motorcycle Museum in Birmingham. The Corbyn cultists were there in force (you might say mob-handed). My abiding memory of what was a rather unpleasant experience was near the end of the session, when both contenders were asked to name a novel by a female author that they had read and enjoyed. Smith cited Elena Ferrante's Neapolitan Quartet. Corbyn said he liked Maya Angelou's I Know Why The Caged Bird Sings, and was vociferously cheered to the echo by his assembled worshippers - for saying that he'd read a fucking book.

Almost more than anything else, that told me just about everything I needed to know about Corbyn, his intellectual worth, and nature of his obscene cult.

[Andy McDandy]

It's the worthiness. Everything has to be so fucking worthy.

[Youngian]

He quoted something unmemorable from Ben Okri in a conference speech and said 'genius' when the audience clapped. It was like David Brent telling the black guy in the office how much he liked Denzil Washington.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Why bring Ukraine into it? He can't stand that they didn't just give up for the sake of geopolitical balance, can he?

If Ukraine is a faraway land of which we know little, what's Palestine?

And is he calling for military action there? I thought "get round the table" was the answer.

[Abernathy]

Well, there kind of is a “coalition of the willing” to stop the genocide in the Gaza strip, in as much as nobody wants it to continue, or even to have begun. Of course nobody does. But willing to do what, Jez ? Invade Jerusalem and overthrow Netanyahu? Send military hardware to Hamas to help them bomb Israeli targets ? Yes, we can get help into Gaza, and countries/agencies are already doing as much as they can within the restrictions and constraints imposed by Jerusalem. But how about going a bit further than facile, posturing soundbites, Jez, you bearded holier-than-thou wanker ?

[Crabcakes]

There’s a coalition of the willing because not stopping Putin will see him invade country after country and risks nuclear war.

Gaza is an atrocity and Netanyahu is a monster, but he’s not going to immediately move on to invading Egypt and Iraq if he thinks he’s allowed to get away with it.

Even in serious world events, some are higher up the priority list.

[mattomac]

You could show more support for Jewish people opposed to the government in Israel for starters.

No dialogue is opened with the main opposition who I believe is the sister party of Labour, instead it is wave a flag and compare it to the SS, yeah that will get a consensus.

[Yug]

It's looking uncomfortably like Jez’s support for Gaza is because the Palestinians are being done over by Jews, and support for Russia because Zelenskyy has Jewish ancestry.

I'd rather be a Blairite red tory than a Jezzarite red nazi.

[Oboogie]

It's looking uncomfortably like Jez’s support for Gaza is because the Palestinians are being done over by Jews, and support for Russia because Zelenskyy has Jewish ancestry.

It's blatant!
Corbyn takes up causes driven not by compassion for the victims but his hatred for the perpetrator. There are Muslims currently being slaughtered in wars in DRC, Sudan and Ethiopia but Corbyn has nothing to say because the killers aren't Jewish.

[Youngian]

It’s Cold Wa era liberationist politics that drives Corbyn’s view of what freedom fighting is and who the terrorists are.
It was entirely plausible that Israel could have moved into the Soviet camp after it creation then the narrative would have been reversed. The CIA would have been arming Arafat’s PLO and Zionism would have been seen as a plucky national liberation movement by the likes of Corbyn.

[Tubby Isaacs]

He's calling for an inquiry into UK's role in the Gaza genocide. That ought not to take very long, seeing the UK is of very limited relevance, but I'm sure a load of marginal things can be knocked together to make it sound like we're all but dropping the bombs ourselves. Today's entry in that category seems to be the huge international player that is Lord Ian Austin visiting Israel as a trade envoy.

[The Weeping Angel]

I find it interesting that rather than focus on ways to stop Israel carrying out genocide. Corbyn is more interested in proving Starmer is guilty of supporting genocide.

[The Weeping Angel]

It’s Cold Wa era liberationist politics that drives Corbyn’s view of what freedom fighting is and who the terrorists are.
It was entirely plausible that Israel could have moved into the Soviet camp after it creation then the narrative would have been reversed. The CIA would have been arming Arafat’s PLO and Zionism would have been seen as a plucky national liberation movement by the likes of Corbyn.

A lot of modern-day anti-zionism has its origins in the Soviet Union.

[Tubby Isaacs]

I find it interesting that rather than focus on ways to stop Israel carrying out genocide. Corbyn is more interested in proving Starmer is guilty of supporting genocide.

Yeah, it's constant campaigning, dressed up as "the real issues". It's why they say "complicity" all the time- makes it sound like something actually really bad is actively being done by the UK. I don't think it's particularly surprising that the UK supplies the F-35 pool with parts, while not supplying Israel directly, but it seems like Corbyn, Sultana and all want the UK defence industry to lose all that business, possibly forever, as new suppliers (has anyone else stopped supplying the pool?) move in.

One of Corbyn's longer term things has been shutting down defence industries and replacing them with something more to his taste. He had to drop that as leader- Unite members work in those industries. It was always nonsense though, even before Ukraine rather proved that weapons are legitimately useful sometimes. Of course, he can't stand that Ukraine didn't fold instantly.