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By Abernathy
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Re : Digital ID cards. The introduction of these is going to have “freemen of the land” wankers frothing at the gash.

The eejits have already been up in arms about bloody birth certificates since Adam were a lad.
By davidjay
#96985
Abernathy wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 11:58 pm Re : Digital ID cards. The introduction of these is going to have “freemen of the land” wankers frothing at the gash.

The eejits have already been up in arms about bloody birth certificates since Adam were a lad.
Which is, as far as I can see, the main benefit of digital ID.
By Youngian
#96990
mattomac wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 10:31 pm A lot of this data is already centralised, after all my provincial licence came with the photo that was on my passport.

My concern would be government overreach, not this one but the ones to come.
I'm concerned about data safety and the case for them being introduced as a measure to tackle illegal immigration is still unclear. That does need to be a strong case to put the Tories and Farage on the back foot.
Opponents are going on about how bad ID cards will be for pensioners. What's that about, do they think this demographic are befuddled Clive Dunn characters who'll keep losing their card?
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By Malcolm Armsteen
#96991
It's perfectly clear. The ID will be needed for employment, therefore irregular immigrants won't be able to enter the legit economy or access state services. That's it, the rest is hyperbole.
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By Boiler
#96992
Youngian wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 8:24 am
mattomac wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 10:31 pm A lot of this data is already centralised, after all my provincial licence came with the photo that was on my passport.

My concern would be government overreach, not this one but the ones to come.
I'm concerned about data safety and the case for them being introduced as a measure to tackle illegal immigration is still unclear. That does need to be a strong case to put the Tories and Farage on the back foot.
Opponents are going on about how bad ID cards will be for pensioners. What's that about, do they think this demographic are befuddled Clive Dunn characters who'll keep losing their card?
Good points made above: I trust a government with my data as much as I trust Google and I don't believe it'll affect the employees of hand car washes/'Turkish' barbers/nail bars &c. one iota. To be fair, my 96 year old Aunt manages a smartphone pretty well, but has anyone suggested how it affects those subject to an EPA*, as my mother-in-law is? Also, who will it disenfranchise - probably my sofa-surfing mate but as he lives entirely within the 'black economy' for reasons but I doubt he would care anyway. It might be interesting if he needs to access the NHS in the future as I suspect it'll just send him even further down the YouTube medical rabbit hole. Or indeed, the chap I see sat at a road junction every day with his bike and a piece of card with "Ex-RAF, live in a tent, please help" written upon it. There'll be a lot of people demanding they be used to gain exclusive access to the NHS, I imagine.

*Enduring Power of Attorney
By Youngian
#96993
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 10:59 am It's perfectly clear. The ID will be needed for employment, therefore irregular immigrants won't be able to enter the legit economy or access state services. That's it, the rest is hyperbole.
Black economy workers are paid in cash so I don’t see how an ID card would change that.
I can see how ID would make the country a more unattractive destination for would be illegals.
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By Boiler
#96994
Youngian wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 12:21 pm Black economy workers are paid in cash so I don’t see how an ID card would change that.
It won't. And when one of these people suffer a workplace injury, then what? No ID card, no NHS treatment?

Also: how much will this cost and who will benefit financially from its introduction, because governments and IT projects really don't mix? To me, it reeks of doing something to shut the Government's critics up (who'll never thank it anyway) rather than make the lives of the population better. Do more stuff like this, not ID cards.
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By The Weeping Angel
#96996
Most other European countries have a form of universal ID, and they have managed to implement. James O'Malley provides a good analysis of how it will work.

https://takes.jamesomalley.co.uk/p/how- ... -will-work
It’s finally happened! After literally years of debate and months of speculation, it appears the British government is finally building a digital ID system.1

Due to be announced later today by the Prime Minister, the plan is that digital ID will help the government crack down on illegal working and illegal immigration, and if you’re a regular reader of my newsletter, it all might sound a little familiar.2

That’s because the plan appears to be more-or-less a wholesale copy and paste from the infamous ‘Britcard’ paper published by the Starmerite think-tank Labour Together back in June. At the time, I wrote about how their proposal would work – and why it has persuaded me that, on balance, digital ID is a good idea.

Anyway, given the proposal has been taken up by the government, and digital ID has become a live political debate – I thought I’d share once more my explainer on how the system works – and the thinking behind it.

So here’s everything you need to know about the plan – including the technical stuff, why most of the building blocks for such a system are already in place, and why I ultimately think it’s a good idea.
and no you're data is going to sold to Palntir/blackrock/whoever.
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By Spoonman
#96998
The Weeping Angel wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 12:47 pm and no you're data is going to sold to Palntir/blackrock/whoever.
The current government may or may not, but what about a future one?
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By Youngian
#96999
One of the more thoughtful home secretaries in the past 40 years, Douglas Hurd argued in favour of passport controls over ID cards as you just show your passport and enter a land of liberty where there's no scary continental polizei asking 'vair are your papers, Englander?' (He didn't say that verbatim but you get what he was driving at).
Tens of millions now come and go into the UK/ Europe/ developed world countries and the idea peaked cap border cops can be the gate keepers of national security is nostalgic fantasy.
The headbangers obsessed with crime and immigrants are having a brain storm over ID cards due to their inability to be able to hold more than one idea in their heads.
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By Tubby Isaacs
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Usual helpful contribution by Matt Wrack.
The so-called ‘left behind’ communities are often talked about, but little is actually done to meet their hopes and their needs. In this bleak landscape, the far right stokes division – blaming migrants and refugees for the failings of government and the economy.
Ignoring this wake-up call is currently likely to deliver further major blows to Labour at elections next May. The prospect of Reform in government in some form is now not an unreasonable one.
The reality for millions is that despite its claims, the Labour government has failed to halt austerity, failed to invest in public services, and failed to tackle the cost-of-living crisis.
Deeply unpopular measures like the winter fuel changes and the two-child limit confirm people’s worst fears: that despite voting for change, things carry on under Labour much as before.
Billionaires get richer while the rest pay the price, and the next generation faces worse prospects than their parents.
"Claims" here meaning facts? Big fiscal expansion and increased spending on public services and investment. Trouble is it barely touches the sides at the moment, which may not be unrelated to the decades of neglect he just mentioned himself.

Matt is a teachers union leader these days, absurdly. Applying his own logic, if he wins, say a 5% pay rise, that would be rubbish because he'd failed to tackle the years of poor pay, and for many teachers it will feel like he's happy with austerity.

People like this must know they're talking rubbish. All out of pique, it seems because their Campaign Group mates have been excluded. And they spout this "all the same" rubbish, and profess to be worried about Reform?
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By Tubby Isaacs
#97002
Labour seeks ‘ambitious’ youth mobility scheme with EU
They should be further on with this than they are. They might have got a bit of credit in the bank from the OBR, aside from anything else. I doubt there's time for that now, even with the very late budget.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#97003
Youngian wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 12:21 pm
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 10:59 am It's perfectly clear. The ID will be needed for employment, therefore irregular immigrants won't be able to enter the legit economy or access state services. That's it, the rest is hyperbole.
Black economy workers are paid in cash so I don’t see how an ID card would change that.
I can see how ID would make the country a more unattractive destination for would be illegals.
Not just that, the sort of employer who does this might be less keen to take the risk. I get the impression that the process at the moment is a lot of photocopying documents which sounds more bullshit-able if they get inspected. Even a rogue employer, might decide that it's easier to pay cash to people who at least have a right to be in the country.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#97004
And despite what Matt Wrack says, the 2 child limit is popular, including among Labour voters. It should be gotten rid of, but there's little sense with left activists that the public doesn't agree with them on all that much. And when they don't, over eg immigration, that's written off as the public being poor and stupid. This isn't an obvious way to beat Reform, any more than a second referendum (which I supported) was an effective way of beating Bozo.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#97006
Boiler wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 12:36 pm
Also: how much will this cost and who will benefit financially from its introduction, because governments and IT projects really don't mix? To me, it reeks of doing something to shut the Government's critics up (who'll never thank it anyway) rather than make the lives of the population better. Do more stuff like this, not ID cards.
Government and building railways really don't mix on the evidence of HS2 and the Great Western Electrification scheme. But they carry on (hopefully) investing in railways, and trying to do it better. There are loads of reports setting out what went wrong, so it's possible to do better.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#97008
Eight, Corbynite. Jeremy Corbyn argued in 2016 for everyone to have a ‘digital passport’. What is that, if not a digital ID for all?
Looking at this, it was voluntary.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#97009
The suspension of Choudhury, who was elected to Holyrood at the last election in 2021, comes just over a month after fellow MSP Colin Smyth was suspended from the party after he was arrested and charged in connection with possession of indecent images..

After that, SNP MP Kirsty Blackman insisted that Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar “must urgently come clean on the reasons why yet another Labour party MSP has been suspended, shortly after Colin Smyth”
Kirsty Blackman isn't stupid. She knows full well that there might be personal allegations here that can't be revealed right away.
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