Mailwatch(ed) Forum

Blue Labour is indeed the sort of politics the aspirant working and lower middles classes left behind in the 80s onwards. Didn't receive an answer from Carden as to how much extra tax he thinks Billericay will pay to keep loss making factories open in his constituency.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Thu Jun 19, 2025 3:23 pm Here's today's "Let's make Blue Labour sound important" story, news that "Blue Labour leader" ex-Corbynite, Dan Carden, has changed his vote on assisted dying (he abstained before, so it's not a huge leap). The logic is as bad as you'd expect. Everyone must suffer because palliative care for poor people isn't great (it's not great for anybody, and even if it were it does nothing for lots of conditions).

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... dan-carden

I suppose the Guardian does talk up everybody who opposes assisted dying, but bonus points for Blue Labour. Perhaps we'll get a "isn't it terrible Blue Labour are so important"article tomorrow.

I think they and Bluesky believe that since McSweeney is a part of blue Labour and he controls Starmer therefore we have a blue labour government.

I've just found you on Bluesky. Seen your interaction with Edwin Hayward. Deporting people with no right to be in the country is "painting targets on the back of legal immigrants", based on "conflating illegal and legal immigration", which he's just done himself.

I haven't found your interaction with Dan the Card. Be interesting to know if he thinks loss making factories are a better use of money than infrastructure, which the Government seems to be making a decent effort on.

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 5:22 pm
I think they and Bluesky believe that since McSweeney is a part of blue Labour and he controls Starmer therefore we have a blue labour government.

I saw Labour allocating money for potholes attributed to McSweeney, Like nobody else would have thought "hmm, people see these every day and hate them, we could do something about this". Lucky this was announced some time ago, or else it would probably be "outflanking Reform" too.

What with assisted dying, decriminalizing abortion just from the last week or so, I wonder if the Blue Labour influence could be overstated?

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 5:36 pm I've just found you on Bluesky. Seen your interaction with Edwin Hayward. Deporting people with no right to be in the country is "painting targets on the back of legal immigrants", based on "conflating illegal and legal immigration", which he's just done himself.

I haven't found your interaction with Dan the Card. Be interesting to know if he thinks loss making factories are a better use of money than infrastructure, which the Government seems to be making a decent effort on.

I've not interacted with Edwin Haywood.

I wouldn't bother. He's one of these "I said Brexit was bad, so here are a load more of my opinions" types.

Blue Labour

Crime and antisocial behaviour are contributing to a sense that public order is breaking down, with working-class communities usually the victims. We must restore the trust and authority of our police force, clarifying its increasingly blurred mission, so that it can focus on the small number of repeat offenders who are responsible for the vast majority of crime.

"Blurred mission"?! This is basically "cops are spending all the time flying Pride flags and worrying about offence on Twitter", isn't it?

Arresting prolific offenders. the Police have never thought of this.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 5:36 pm I've just found you on Bluesky. Seen your interaction with Edwin Hayward. Deporting people with no right to be in the country is "painting targets on the back of legal immigrants", based on "conflating illegal and legal immigration", which he's just done himself.

I haven't found your interaction with Dan the Card. Be interesting to know if he thinks loss making factories are a better use of money than infrastructure, which the Government seems to be making a decent effort on.

Had some other run in with that Edwin bloke, he shoots from the hip without asking enough questions.
Don't think Dan's on wokey Bluesky. And I'm no longer on X after a ban involving something that's offensive in American English but not here (having a fag I think).

I think I've found your Edwin exchange. As you put it, he thought Starmer was on some sort of maverick Ukraine mission that European allies opposed because the "EU" didn't formally request Starmer meet Trump- why would you expect it to do that? As you say, the EU has Fico and Orban in it. Chlorinated chicken and hormone beef get a run out as well.

Starmer "sat on the fence" and didn't "push back" about Ukraine?!

That's it, already decided on his opinions whatever the scenario is.

It's all based on Brexit having happened and Starmer not rejoining last week.

Has Carney called out Trump on this? I don't think he has.

Carney feels massively let down by Starmer, don't you know? As evidenced by them spending a lot of time together at the G7. Similarly, Germany and France think we're idiots, as evidenced by David Lammy accompanying their foreign ministers to Iran today.

Amateur psychology in any context is tiresome, but especially so in Foreign Affairs. You don't even need leaks, which are of limited use anyway when there are negotiations happening. Just attribute your own position to foreigners.