[mattomac]

Plenty of those who want to get rid of the ECHR act also voting against this.... seems a little hypocritical if I am honest.

[Tubby Isaacs]

He has his moments, in fairness. Even if he has had a lot of very kind coverage over the years as someone who's "thoughtful".

[Abernathy]

I’m pleased with this result, though it was nearly too close for comfort.

Time again, I think, for some words of praise for Kim Leadbeater, whose bravery, dignity, drive, sheer hard work, and fortitude in taking this bill forward have been admirable. Kim’s sister would be very proud of her.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Tice and the Runcorn winner both voted for, to their credit. Farage, Anderson and the girlfriend puncher all against. Rupert Lowe against.

There may be some wing nut welfare at stake.

[Tubby Isaacs]

I’m pleased with this result, though it was nearly too close for comfort.

Time again, I think, for some words of praise for Kim Leadbeater, whose bravery, dignity, drive, sheer hard work, and fortitude in taking this bill forward have been admirable. Kim’s sister would be very proud of her.

Absolutely, I don't know how she can bear to be in the same room as some of the bullshitters on her own side.

I thought it would be closer, and I think that's a decent majority. The operation to pretend it crawled over the line will doubtless be underway already. "Big changes shouldn't be made on the basis of a narrow majority" and all that. That's a classic fallacy treating the current position as somehow special.

[Andy McDandy]

Tice and the Runcorn winner both voted for, to their credit. Farage, Anderson and the girlfriend puncher all against. Rupert Lowe against.

There may be some wing nut welfare at stake.

On the one hand it's dead hand of the state, heartless bureaucrats, lovely old grannies and so on.

On the other, nobody tells me what to do, and my personal choice.

Both have appeal to their party members.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

I see the Guardian is reporting that the cabinet is 'deeply split'.

i.e. they voted with their consciences, some for and some against...

The Guardian's sniping negativism is getting me down. That and the fucking helicopters.

[Andy McDandy]

Has Starmer imposed whip on Cabinet? Questions as all ministers back controversial bill.

Yeah, it's rather shit.

[Oboogie]

Has anyone on Bsky accused Starmer of reintroducing the death penalty yet?
It can only be a matter of time.

[Tubby Isaacs]

I see the Guardian is reporting that the cabinet is 'deeply split'.

i.e. they voted with their consciences, some for and some against...

The Guardian's sniping negativism is getting me down. That and the fucking helicopters.

Free vote in free voting shock!

[The Weeping Angel]

Has anyone on Bsky accused Starmer of reintroducing the death penalty yet?
It can only be a matter of time.

In my experience it's twitter that is more hostile to assisted dying.

[Crabcakes]

Jez and his Independent mates voted against.

I bet he would have been in favour if it was via poison-tipped Russian umbrella.

[Rosvanian]

Oh my days. The comments all over the right wing media are a sight to behold. No attempt at nuance, no measured argument, only wild hysteria and accusations of death cults and murdering left scum. Someone needs to tell them that two of their own vote 'yes'.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Public overwhelmingly in favour. Tice and Mrs Runcorn likely have a better sense of their own voters than the rest of them.

[The Weeping Angel]

Normal comment here.

The monstering of Kim Leadbeater by opponents was one of the reasons I remember when this person claimed Kim was only elected because Jo Cox was murdered.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Nah Shah's speech had, to my mind, a pedantic at best, point about anorexia not being covered because it wasn't voluntary in her definition (I think the distinction was between conditions that make it impossible to eat and conditions that don't, an anorexic's not eating is voluntary in that sense). So I could object to that if I'm going to act a millionth bit like Hannah there. But if I were doing an anodyne "good people on both sides" post like Paul Brand, I might mention Naz Shah, who I like.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Nah Shah's speech had, to my mind, a pedantic at best, point about anorexia not being covered because it wasn't voluntary in her definition (I think the distinction was between conditions that make it impossible to eat and conditions that don't, an anorexic's not eating is voluntary in that sense). So I could object to that if I'm going to act a millionth bit like Hannah there. But if I were doing an anodyne "good people on both sides" post like Paul Brand, I might mention Naz Shah, who I like.

[Bones McCoy]

I see the Guardian is reporting that the cabinet is 'deeply split'.

i.e. they voted with their consciences, some for and some against...

The Guardian's sniping negativism is getting me down. That and the fucking helicopters.

The guardian has never been our friend.

We've been quick to give it a pass because it was often the only blatt that would carry our views.
But it mixed them with a load of reactionary claptrap.

When I look now I'm reminded of ladied who lunch recalling their student radical days.