[Tubby Isaacs]

There's a straightforward misquote there. Streeting isn't talking about trans women's presence in female facilities as being unpleasant. He's talking about trans men being sent into female spaces as being unpleasant to everyone (including the trans man himself).

That's a seriously dishonest account.

[Crabcakes]

Also stats for lefties is a known crank and shouldn't be relied upon.

This is the Mumsnet AMA with Streeting he’s referring to. I have read it and It’s all there.

You may well argue it’s a pessimistic take of what he says, but in the current environment where it seems to be convenience of a simplistic black and white ruling and draconian application of the same trumps any sort of consideration of fairness, reasonable accommodation etc., I’m struggling to give the benefit of the doubt.


https://www.mumsnet.com/news/wes-streeting-mumsnet-asks

[Crabcakes]

There's a straightforward misquote there. Streeting isn't talking about trans women's presence in female facilities as being unpleasant. He's talking about trans men being sent into female spaces as being unpleasant to everyone (including the trans man himself).

That's a seriously dishonest account.

Just to note it’s not actually a quote and as far as I can see doesn’t claim to be. It’s an observation. Trans women already are banned from women’s spaces - so that is correct as of now. And Streeting’s quote is about trans men in women’s spaces - which the law as set says is the only space they should use - also not being desirable. So saying his aim is to exclude trans people from all but third spaces is not an unreasonable conclusion. As I said below it could be argued it’s pessimistic, but it’s not inaccurate.

[Tubby Isaacs]

I'm not arguing it's good, but this is the existing policy in the NHS, such as it exists at all given that it would cost a fortune and take forever. To represent that as the Government setting up third spaces everywhere seems a bit dishonest. I note that the rest of the media haven't reacted to this story.

[Tubby Isaacs]

There's a straightforward misquote there. Streeting isn't talking about trans women's presence in female facilities as being unpleasant. He's talking about trans men being sent into female spaces as being unpleasant to everyone (including the trans man himself).

That's a seriously dishonest account.

Just to note it’s not actually a quote and as far as I can see doesn’t claim to be. It’s an observation. Trans women already are banned from women’s spaces - so that is correct as of now. And Streeting’s quote is about trans men in women’s spaces - which the law as set says is the only space they should use - also not being desirable. So saying his aim is to exclude trans people from all but third spaces is not an unreasonable conclusion. As I said below it could be argued it’s pessimistic, but it’s not inaccurate.

Not a quote? Well, all but a quote. I think he's either misrepresenting or has misread, that's all. He'd have said "this would mean.." or something.

If that is the law, what's the Secretary of State supposed to do? He can't change the law, if that's not the position of the Cabinet. The NHS will get sued all the time.

[Crabcakes]

If that is the law, what's the Secretary of State supposed to do? He can't change the law, if that's not the position of the Cabinet. The NHS will get sued all the time.

Well he could stand up for a marginalised minority rather than give the impression they’re an unpleasant inconvenience. As you say, he is the Secretary of State and sits in cabinet - *I* can’t do anything. I would very much hope *he* could.

I don’t want to drag this out, so I’ll just add I appreciate it hasn’t been picked up elsewhere (though lack of coverage doesn’t automatically mean lack of story), and I would be delighted if this all turned out to be wrong.

[Tubby Isaacs]

This may be no bad thing (apologies for the source). The Government has I presume realized the problems.